solr crashes

[Danilo Tomasoni]

Hello all,

We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.

We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.

We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax parser
subqueries with the syntax

'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'

Often X == 1.

This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding the
query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.

Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a
query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.


Do you have any idea of what's going on here?

Otherwise,

What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to
investigate first?

What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going on?


Thank you

Danilo

[Bernd Fehling]

Hi Danilo,

you have to give more infos about your system and the config.

- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they reporting?
- Any FullGC in GC logs?

Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax parser subqueries with the syntax
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding the query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to investigate first?
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going on?
Thank you
Danilo

[Danilo Tomasoni]

Hello Bernd,

Here I list the extra info you requested:

- actually the virtual machine has 22GB of RAM and 16GB of heap

- my 40 million raw data takes about 1364GB on filesystem (in xml format)

- my index optimized (1 segment, 0 deleted docs) takes about 555GB

- solr 7.3, openjdk 1.8.0_181

- GC logs are like

2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [Full GC (Allocation Failure)
2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [CMS:
12287999K->12287999K(12288000K), 13.6470083 secs]
15701375K->15701373K(15701376K), [Metaspace: 37438K->37438K(1083392K)],
13.6470726 secs] [Times: user=13.66 sys=0.00, real=13.64 secs]
Heap after GC invocations=2108 (full 1501):
 par new generation   total 3413376K, used 3413373K
[0x00000003d8000000, 0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000004d2000000)
  eden space 2730752K,  99% used [0x00000003d8000000,
0x000000047eabfdc0, 0x000000047eac0000)
  from space 682624K,  99% used [0x000000047eac0000,
0x00000004a855f8a0, 0x00000004a8560000)
  to   space 682624K,   0% used [0x00000004a8560000,
0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004d2000000)
 concurrent mark-sweep generation total 12288000K, used 12287999K
[0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000007c0000000, 0x00000007c0000000)
 Metaspace       used 37438K, capacity 38438K, committed 38676K,
reserved 1083392K
  class space    used 4257K, capacity 4521K, committed 4628K, reserved
1048576K
}


Thank you for your help

Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
you have to give more infos about your system and the config.
- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they reporting?
- Any FullGC in GC logs?
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax
parser subqueries with the syntax
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding the
query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a
query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to investigate first?
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going on?
Thank you
Danilo

[Bernd Fehling]

Hi Danilo,

Full GC points out that you need more heap which also implies that you need more RAM.
Raise your heap to 24GB and your physical RAM to about 75GB or better 96GB.
RAM should be about 3 to 4 times heap size.

Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
- actually the virtual machine has 22GB of RAM and 16GB of heap
- my 40 million raw data takes about 1364GB on filesystem (in xml format)
- my index optimized (1 segment, 0 deleted docs) takes about 555GB
- solr 7.3, openjdk 1.8.0_181
- GC logs are like
12287999K->12287999K(12288000K), 13.6470083 secs] 15701375K->15701373K(15701376K), [Metaspace: 37438K->37438K(1083392K)], 13.6470726 secs]
[Times: user=13.66 sys=0.00, real=13.64 secs]
 par new generation   total 3413376K, used 3413373K [0x00000003d8000000, 0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000004d2000000)
  eden space 2730752K,  99% used [0x00000003d8000000, 0x000000047eabfdc0, 0x000000047eac0000)
  from space 682624K,  99% used [0x000000047eac0000, 0x00000004a855f8a0, 0x00000004a8560000)
  to   space 682624K,   0% used [0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004d2000000)
 concurrent mark-sweep generation total 12288000K, used 12287999K [0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000007c0000000, 0x00000007c0000000)
 Metaspace       used 37438K, capacity 38438K, committed 38676K, reserved 1083392K
  class space    used 4257K, capacity 4521K, committed 4628K, reserved 1048576K
}
Thank you for your help
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
you have to give more infos about your system and the config.
- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they reporting?
- Any FullGC in GC logs?
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax parser subqueries with the syntax
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding the query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to investigate first?
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going on?
Thank you
Danilo

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[Danilo Tomasoni]

Hello Bernd,

Thanks for the suggestion,

the problem is that we don't have 75 GB of RAM.

Are you aware of any way to reduce solr memory usage?

Thanks

Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
Full GC points out that you need more heap which also implies that you need more RAM.
Raise your heap to 24GB and your physical RAM to about 75GB or better 96GB.
RAM should be about 3 to 4 times heap size.
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
- actually the virtual machine has 22GB of RAM and 16GB of heap
- my 40 million raw data takes about 1364GB on filesystem (in xml format)
- my index optimized (1 segment, 0 deleted docs) takes about 555GB
- solr 7.3, openjdk 1.8.0_181
- GC logs are like
2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [Full GC (Allocation
12287999K->12287999K(12288000K), 13.6470083 secs]
37438K->37438K(1083392K)], 13.6470726 secs] [Times: user=13.66
sys=0.00, real=13.64 secs]
  par new generation   total 3413376K, used 3413373K
[0x00000003d8000000, 0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000004d2000000)
   eden space 2730752K,  99% used [0x00000003d8000000,
0x000000047eabfdc0, 0x000000047eac0000)
   from space 682624K,  99% used [0x000000047eac0000,
0x00000004a855f8a0, 0x00000004a8560000)
   to   space 682624K,   0% used [0x00000004a8560000,
0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004d2000000)
  concurrent mark-sweep generation total 12288000K, used 12287999K
[0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000007c0000000, 0x00000007c0000000)
  Metaspace       used 37438K, capacity 38438K, committed 38676K,
reserved 1083392K
   class space    used 4257K, capacity 4521K, committed 4628K,
reserved 1048576K
}
Thank you for your help
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
you have to give more infos about your system and the config.
- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they reporting?
- Any FullGC in GC logs?
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax
parser subqueries with the syntax
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding
the query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing
a query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to investigate first?
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going on?
Thank you
Danilo

[David Hastings]

you can set the -Xms value lower on startup but your still going to run
into this issue. Really you just need to go buy more ram, hardware is
cheap so you may as well max out the number of sockets for memory and get a
couple TB sized SSD's.

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
Thanks for the suggestion,
the problem is that we don't have 75 GB of RAM.
Are you aware of any way to reduce solr memory usage?
Thanks
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
Full GC points out that you need more heap which also implies that you need more RAM.
Raise your heap to 24GB and your physical RAM to about 75GB or better 96GB.
RAM should be about 3 to 4 times heap size.
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
- actually the virtual machine has 22GB of RAM and 16GB of heap
- my 40 million raw data takes about 1364GB on filesystem (in xml format)
- my index optimized (1 segment, 0 deleted docs) takes about 555GB
- solr 7.3, openjdk 1.8.0_181
- GC logs are like
2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [Full GC (Allocation
12287999K->12287999K(12288000K), 13.6470083 secs]
37438K->37438K(1083392K)], 13.6470726 secs] [Times: user=13.66
sys=0.00, real=13.64 secs]
par new generation total 3413376K, used 3413373K
[0x00000003d8000000, 0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000004d2000000)
eden space 2730752K, 99% used [0x00000003d8000000,
0x000000047eabfdc0, 0x000000047eac0000)
from space 682624K, 99% used [0x000000047eac0000,
0x00000004a855f8a0, 0x00000004a8560000)
to space 682624K, 0% used [0x00000004a8560000,
0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004d2000000)
concurrent mark-sweep generation total 12288000K, used 12287999K
[0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000007c0000000, 0x00000007c0000000)
Metaspace used 37438K, capacity 38438K, committed 38676K,
reserved 1083392K
class space used 4257K, capacity 4521K, committed 4628K,
reserved 1048576K
}
Thank you for your help
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
you have to give more infos about your system and the config.
- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they reporting?
- Any FullGC in GC logs?
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax
parser subqueries with the syntax
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding
the query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing
a query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to
investigate first?
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going on?
Thank you
Danilo

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Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
Thanks for the suggestion,
the problem is that we don't have 75 GB of RAM.
Are you aware of any way to reduce solr memory usage?

Yes, remove all Faceting, especially those for Fields with high cardinality.

Don't use huge Synonym files which build a Synonyms FST for SpellCheckComponent
used for autocomplete suggestions (e.g. Thesuarus).

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Thanks
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
Full GC points out that you need more heap which also implies that you need more RAM.
Raise your heap to 24GB and your physical RAM to about 75GB or better 96GB.
RAM should be about 3 to 4 times heap size.
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
- actually the virtual machine has 22GB of RAM and 16GB of heap
- my 40 million raw data takes about 1364GB on filesystem (in xml format)
- my index optimized (1 segment, 0 deleted docs) takes about 555GB
- solr 7.3, openjdk 1.8.0_181
- GC logs are like
12287999K->12287999K(12288000K), 13.6470083 secs] 15701375K->15701373K(15701376K), [Metaspace: 37438K->37438K(1083392K)], 13.6470726 secs]
[Times: user=13.66 sys=0.00, real=13.64 secs]
  par new generation   total 3413376K, used 3413373K [0x00000003d8000000, 0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000004d2000000)
   eden space 2730752K,  99% used [0x00000003d8000000, 0x000000047eabfdc0, 0x000000047eac0000)
   from space 682624K,  99% used [0x000000047eac0000, 0x00000004a855f8a0, 0x00000004a8560000)
   to   space 682624K,   0% used [0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004d2000000)
  concurrent mark-sweep generation total 12288000K, used 12287999K [0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000007c0000000, 0x00000007c0000000)
  Metaspace       used 37438K, capacity 38438K, committed 38676K, reserved 1083392K
   class space    used 4257K, capacity 4521K, committed 4628K, reserved 1048576K
}
Thank you for your help
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
you have to give more infos about your system and the config.
- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they reporting?
- Any FullGC in GC logs?
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax parser subqueries with the syntax
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding the query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to investigate first?
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going on?
Thank you
Danilo

[Walter Underwood]

I’ve never heard a recommendation to have three times as much RAM as the heap. That doesn’t make sense to me.

You might need 3X as much disk space as the index size.

For RAM, it is best to have the sum of:

* JVM heap
* A couple of gigabytes for OS and demons
* RAM for other processes needed on the host (keep to a minimum)
* Enough RAM to hold the entire index

Clearly, you are not going to have enough RAM for a 555 gigabyte index. Well, Amazon does have a dozen instance types that can do that, but they are expensive.

A 24 GB heap on a 30 GB machine will be pretty tight.

Always set Xms (starting heap) to the same as Xmx (maximum heap). If you set it smaller, the JVM will keep increasing the heap until it hits the max before doing a full GC. It will always end up with the max setting, but it will have to do more work to get there. The setting for initial heap size is about the most useless thing in Java.

wunder
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http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
Full GC points out that you need more heap which also implies that you need more RAM.
Raise your heap to 24GB and your physical RAM to about 75GB or better 96GB.
RAM should be about 3 to 4 times heap size.
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
- actually the virtual machine has 22GB of RAM and 16GB of heap
- my 40 million raw data takes about 1364GB on filesystem (in xml format)
- my index optimized (1 segment, 0 deleted docs) takes about 555GB
- solr 7.3, openjdk 1.8.0_181
- GC logs are like
2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [Full GC (Allocation Failure) 2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [CMS: 12287999K->12287999K(12288000K), 13.6470083 secs] 15701375K->15701373K(15701376K), [Metaspace: 37438K->37438K(1083392K)], 13.6470726 secs] [Times: user=13.66 sys=0.00, real=13.64 secs]
par new generation total 3413376K, used 3413373K [0x00000003d8000000, 0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000004d2000000)
eden space 2730752K, 99% used [0x00000003d8000000, 0x000000047eabfdc0, 0x000000047eac0000)
from space 682624K, 99% used [0x000000047eac0000, 0x00000004a855f8a0, 0x00000004a8560000)
to space 682624K, 0% used [0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004d2000000)
concurrent mark-sweep generation total 12288000K, used 12287999K [0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000007c0000000, 0x00000007c0000000)
Metaspace used 37438K, capacity 38438K, committed 38676K, reserved 1083392K
class space used 4257K, capacity 4521K, committed 4628K, reserved 1048576K
}
Thank you for your help
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
you have to give more infos about your system and the config.
- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they reporting?
- Any FullGC in GC logs?
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax parser subqueries with the syntax
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding the query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to investigate first?
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going on?
Thank you
Danilo

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[Gus Heck]

3x heap is larger than usual, but significant RAM beyond heap is a good
idea if you can't fit the whole index in 31 GB of memory, since the OS will
cache files in ram. Note also the use of 32 GB through about 45 GB heap
settings gives you LESS heap than 31 GB due to an increase in pointer sizes
needed to track large memory spaces. Typically 64 GB ram with 31gb heap is
a good start for decent sized indexes and add more machines to get more
ram/heap/cpu relative to your data on disk and query load. Of course test
and tune from there to find your ideal spec for your installation... Also
larger ram means longer gc pauses.

That said, none of the ram beyond heap is likely to have much effect on
crashing once the OS and other processes on the box are happy.

Post by Walter Underwood
I’ve never heard a recommendation to have three times as much RAM as the
heap. That doesn’t make sense to me.
You might need 3X as much disk space as the index size.
* JVM heap
* A couple of gigabytes for OS and demons
* RAM for other processes needed on the host (keep to a minimum)
* Enough RAM to hold the entire index
Clearly, you are not going to have enough RAM for a 555 gigabyte index.
Well, Amazon does have a dozen instance types that can do that, but they
are expensive.
A 24 GB heap on a 30 GB machine will be pretty tight.
Always set Xms (starting heap) to the same as Xmx (maximum heap). If you
set it smaller, the JVM will keep increasing the heap until it hits the max
before doing a full GC. It will always end up with the max setting, but it
will have to do more work to get there. The setting for initial heap size
is about the most useless thing in Java.
wunder
Walter Underwood
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Dec 4, 2018, at 6:06 AM, Bernd Fehling <
Hi Danilo,
Full GC points out that you need more heap which also implies that you

need more RAM.

Raise your heap to 24GB and your physical RAM to about 75GB or better

96GB.

RAM should be about 3 to 4 times heap size.
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
- actually the virtual machine has 22GB of RAM and 16GB of heap
- my 40 million raw data takes about 1364GB on filesystem (in xml

format)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
- my index optimized (1 segment, 0 deleted docs) takes about 555GB
- solr 7.3, openjdk 1.8.0_181
- GC logs are like
2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [Full GC (Allocation Failure)

12287999K->12287999K(12288000K), 13.6470083 secs]
15701375K->15701373K(15701376K), [Metaspace: 37438K->37438K(1083392K)],
13.6470726 secs] [Times: user=13.66 sys=0.00, real=13.64 secs]

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
par new generation total 3413376K, used 3413373K

[0x00000003d8000000, 0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000004d2000000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
eden space 2730752K, 99% used [0x00000003d8000000,

0x000000047eabfdc0, 0x000000047eac0000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
from space 682624K, 99% used [0x000000047eac0000,

0x00000004a855f8a0, 0x00000004a8560000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
to space 682624K, 0% used [0x00000004a8560000,

0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004d2000000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
concurrent mark-sweep generation total 12288000K, used 12287999K

[0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000007c0000000, 0x00000007c0000000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Metaspace used 37438K, capacity 38438K, committed 38676K,

reserved 1083392K

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
class space used 4257K, capacity 4521K, committed 4628K, reserved

1048576K

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
}
Thank you for your help
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
you have to give more infos about your system and the config.
- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they

reporting?

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling
- Any FullGC in GC logs?
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax

parser subqueries with the syntax

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding the

query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a

query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to

investigate first?

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going

on?

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Thank you
Danilo

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But it is silly to base non-heap RAM on the size of the heap. Get the
RAM needed for the non-heap usage. That has nothing to do with the
size of the Java heap.

Non-heap RAM is mostly used for two things: other programs and
file buffers for the Solr indexes. Base the RAM needs on those.

wunder
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http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

Post by Gus Heck
3x heap is larger than usual, but significant RAM beyond heap is a good
idea if you can't fit the whole index in 31 GB of memory, since the OS will
cache files in ram. Note also the use of 32 GB through about 45 GB heap
settings gives you LESS heap than 31 GB due to an increase in pointer sizes
needed to track large memory spaces. Typically 64 GB ram with 31gb heap is
a good start for decent sized indexes and add more machines to get more
ram/heap/cpu relative to your data on disk and query load. Of course test
and tune from there to find your ideal spec for your installation... Also
larger ram means longer gc pauses.
That said, none of the ram beyond heap is likely to have much effect on
crashing once the OS and other processes on the box are happy.

Post by Walter Underwood
I’ve never heard a recommendation to have three times as much RAM as the
heap. That doesn’t make sense to me.
You might need 3X as much disk space as the index size.
* JVM heap
* A couple of gigabytes for OS and demons
* RAM for other processes needed on the host (keep to a minimum)
* Enough RAM to hold the entire index
Clearly, you are not going to have enough RAM for a 555 gigabyte index.
Well, Amazon does have a dozen instance types that can do that, but they
are expensive.
A 24 GB heap on a 30 GB machine will be pretty tight.
Always set Xms (starting heap) to the same as Xmx (maximum heap). If you
set it smaller, the JVM will keep increasing the heap until it hits the max
before doing a full GC. It will always end up with the max setting, but it
will have to do more work to get there. The setting for initial heap size
is about the most useless thing in Java.
wunder
Walter Underwood
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Dec 4, 2018, at 6:06 AM, Bernd Fehling <
Hi Danilo,
Full GC points out that you need more heap which also implies that you

need more RAM.

Raise your heap to 24GB and your physical RAM to about 75GB or better

96GB.

RAM should be about 3 to 4 times heap size.
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
- actually the virtual machine has 22GB of RAM and 16GB of heap
- my 40 million raw data takes about 1364GB on filesystem (in xml

format)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
- my index optimized (1 segment, 0 deleted docs) takes about 555GB
- solr 7.3, openjdk 1.8.0_181
- GC logs are like
2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [Full GC (Allocation Failure)

12287999K->12287999K(12288000K), 13.6470083 secs]
15701375K->15701373K(15701376K), [Metaspace: 37438K->37438K(1083392K)],
13.6470726 secs] [Times: user=13.66 sys=0.00, real=13.64 secs]

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
par new generation total 3413376K, used 3413373K

[0x00000003d8000000, 0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000004d2000000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
eden space 2730752K, 99% used [0x00000003d8000000,

0x000000047eabfdc0, 0x000000047eac0000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
from space 682624K, 99% used [0x000000047eac0000,

0x00000004a855f8a0, 0x00000004a8560000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
to space 682624K, 0% used [0x00000004a8560000,

0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004d2000000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
concurrent mark-sweep generation total 12288000K, used 12287999K

[0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000007c0000000, 0x00000007c0000000)

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Metaspace used 37438K, capacity 38438K, committed 38676K,

reserved 1083392K

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
class space used 4257K, capacity 4521K, committed 4628K, reserved

1048576K

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
}
Thank you for your help
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
you have to give more infos about your system and the config.
- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they

reporting?

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling
- Any FullGC in GC logs?
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax

parser subqueries with the syntax

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding the

query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a

query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to

investigate first?

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going

on?

Post by Danilo Tomasoni

Post by Bernd Fehling

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Thank you
Danilo

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*************************************************************
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Dipl.-Inform. (FH) LibTec - Library Technology
UniversitÀtsstr. 25 and Knowledge Management
33615 Bielefeld
Tel. [phone] bernd.fehling(at)uni-bielefeld.de
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[Bernd Fehling]

I’ve never heard a recommendation to have three times as much RAM as the heap. That doesn’t make sense to me.

https://wiki.apache.org/solr/SolrPerformanceProblems#RAM

You might need 3X as much disk space as the index size.
* JVM heap
* A couple of gigabytes for OS and demons
* RAM for other processes needed on the host (keep to a minimum)
* Enough RAM to hold the entire index
Clearly, you are not going to have enough RAM for a 555 gigabyte index. Well, Amazon does have a dozen instance types that can do that, but they are expensive.
A 24 GB heap on a 30 GB machine will be pretty tight.
Always set Xms (starting heap) to the same as Xmx (maximum heap). If you set it smaller, the JVM will keep increasing the heap until it hits the max before doing a full GC. It will always end up with the max setting, but it will have to do more work to get there. The setting for initial heap size is about the most useless thing in Java.
wunder
Walter Underwood
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
Full GC points out that you need more heap which also implies that you need more RAM.
Raise your heap to 24GB and your physical RAM to about 75GB or better 96GB.
RAM should be about 3 to 4 times heap size.
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello Bernd,
- actually the virtual machine has 22GB of RAM and 16GB of heap
- my 40 million raw data takes about 1364GB on filesystem (in xml format)
- my index optimized (1 segment, 0 deleted docs) takes about 555GB
- solr 7.3, openjdk 1.8.0_181
- GC logs are like
2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [Full GC (Allocation Failure) 2018-12-03T07:40:22.302+0100: 28752.505: [CMS: 12287999K->12287999K(12288000K), 13.6470083 secs] 15701375K->15701373K(15701376K), [Metaspace: 37438K->37438K(1083392K)], 13.6470726 secs] [Times: user=13.66 sys=0.00, real=13.64 secs]
par new generation total 3413376K, used 3413373K [0x00000003d8000000, 0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000004d2000000)
eden space 2730752K, 99% used [0x00000003d8000000, 0x000000047eabfdc0, 0x000000047eac0000)
from space 682624K, 99% used [0x000000047eac0000, 0x00000004a855f8a0, 0x00000004a8560000)
to space 682624K, 0% used [0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004a8560000, 0x00000004d2000000)
concurrent mark-sweep generation total 12288000K, used 12287999K [0x00000004d2000000, 0x00000007c0000000, 0x00000007c0000000)
Metaspace used 37438K, capacity 38438K, committed 38676K, reserved 1083392K
class space used 4257K, capacity 4521K, committed 4628K, reserved 1048576K
}
Thank you for your help
Danilo

Post by Bernd Fehling
Hi Danilo,
you have to give more infos about your system and the config.
- 30gb RAM (physical RAM?) how much heap do you have for JAVA?
- how large (in GByte) are your 40 million raw data being indexed?
- how large is your index (in GByte) with 40 million docs indexed?
- which version of Solr and JAVA?
- do you have JAVA garbage collection logs and if so what are they reporting?
- Any FullGC in GC logs?
Regards, Bernd

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Hello all,
We have a configuration with a single node with 30gb of RAM.
We use it to index ~40MLN of documents.
We perform queries with edismax parser that contain often edismax parser subqueries with the syntax
'_query_:{!edismax mm=X v=$subqueryN}'
Often X == 1.
This solves the "too many boolean clauses" error we got expanding the query terms (often phrase queries) directly in the main query.
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.
Do you have any idea of what's going on here?
Otherwise,
What kind of solr configuration parameters do you think I need to investigate first?
What kind of log lines should I search for to understand what's going on?
Thank you
Danilo

[Walter Underwood]

Post by Walter Underwood
I’ve never heard a recommendation to have three times as much RAM as the heap. That doesn’t make sense to me.

https://wiki.apache.org/solr/SolrPerformanceProblems#RAM <https://wiki.apache.org/solr/SolrPerformanceProblems#RAM>

Thanks. That does not say to use 3X the RAM. In fact, it recommends the approach I gave, size the RAM by looking at the needs of Solr and other programs. It does not mention the OS and file buffers, which is a serious omission.

"Let's say that you have a Solr index size of 8GB. If your OS, Solr's Java heap, and all other running programs require 4GB of memory, then an ideal memory size for that server is at least 12GB. [
] It's very important to note here that there is no quick formula available for deciding the minimum amount of memory required for good performance."

wunder
Walter Underwood
***@wunderwood.org
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

[Shawn Heisey]

Post by Danilo Tomasoni
Unfortunately in this scenario solr often crashes while performing a
query, even with a single query and no other source of system load.

What do you mean by "crashes"?  Because what I think of as a crash is
exceedingly rare with Java programs.  I won't say that Solr can't crash
... but the only situations where I've seen it happen have been hardware
problems, OS problems, or bugs in Java.

One thing that can happen that *looks* like a crash is what Solr is
designed to do on the occurrence of an OutOfMemoryError, if it happens
on an OS that's not Windows.  In that situation, Java has been
configured to run a script that kills Solr and creates a log entry
saying that it ran.  This hasn't been set up on Windows yet.

The following URL was mentioned in one of the other thread replies. 
Here I have added an anchor to go to the part about the Java heap.  If
what you are observing is that Solr dies, then very likely the OOM
script is killing Solr due to Java running out of a resource.  This URL
contains a section describing things that can consume a lot of heap
memory.  Later there is another section about how to reduce heap
requirements:

https://wiki.apache.org/solr/SolrPerformanceProblems#Java_Heap

Note that an OutOfMemoryError can occur because of problems other than
heap memory.  If Solr is being killed because of the OOME exception, you
will need to find the reason for the OOME in one of the solr.log files. 
If it got logged, it might be in one of the files named something like
solr.log.1 through solr.log.9 rather than solr.log itself.

Thanks,
Shawn